All I can say is if my Dad called me up and I said "Hi Mike" he'd be rather upset that I called him by his first name rather than Dad.
S8
had to do a little historic research to find out that jehovah is actually 2 hebrew words compounded: yah(h) and hovah.
yah(h) means: "i exist," "i am," "i create," or "i will be or bring into being.
hovah means: ruin, mischif, but yet,it's root, havvah,translates as: "calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.
All I can say is if my Dad called me up and I said "Hi Mike" he'd be rather upset that I called him by his first name rather than Dad.
S8
no brother but we have ms, elder, co, etc etc etc.... why can't people see this?.
s8..
No brother but we have MS, Elder, CO, etc etc etc...
Why can't people see this?
S8.
has anyone in the uk sent a "subject access request" under the data protection act 1998 to the bethel or the local congregation?.
i'm very tempted to as this will mean they have to provide any personal information they hold.. i was disfellowshipped, reinstated, appointed and stepped down.
i'd like to know what information is held on record in regard to these incidents.. s8..
Hi,
Has anyone in the UK sent a "Subject Access Request" under the data protection act 1998 to the bethel or the local congregation?
I'm very tempted to as this will mean they have to provide any personal information they hold.
I was disfellowshipped, reinstated, appointed and stepped down. I'd like to know what information is held on record in regard to these incidents.
S8.
i am in urgent need of a copy of a letter sent to uk elders in regard to weddings held at the kh and specific comments about the responsibilities of the brother giving the wedding talk.
i'm told this is a fairly recent letter.. we have an elder kicking up hell about innactive ones who want to come and watch the wedding.
he happens to be the one giving the talk and is acting like he has full control on this wedding.
The sad thing about this, is that all involved including the elder and the inactive ones are part of the same family.
Thanks for all your posts. Hopefully someone will have to hand the most recent letter on this subject. It seemS that it will be post 2002.
Thanks.
S8
i am in urgent need of a copy of a letter sent to uk elders in regard to weddings held at the kh and specific comments about the responsibilities of the brother giving the wedding talk.
i'm told this is a fairly recent letter.. we have an elder kicking up hell about innactive ones who want to come and watch the wedding.
he happens to be the one giving the talk and is acting like he has full control on this wedding.
Hi, thanks for all the responses so far.
Just to clarify as my initial post may have been misleading.
The elder concerned is dictating as to who can attend the wedding reception not the service at the KH.
The point he is making is that as he is giving the talk he is responsible for such things and has an overiding decision on who can be invited to the evening. He claims this is in accordance with a recent letter to the body giving updated instructions in regard to weddings.
I don't believe a word of it and we need a copy of this recent letter as proof as this involves very close members of the brides family and no way should they be shut out and shunned in this way just for being inactive.
Your continued help is much appreciated.
Thanks.
S8
i am in urgent need of a copy of a letter sent to uk elders in regard to weddings held at the kh and specific comments about the responsibilities of the brother giving the wedding talk.
i'm told this is a fairly recent letter.. we have an elder kicking up hell about innactive ones who want to come and watch the wedding.
he happens to be the one giving the talk and is acting like he has full control on this wedding.
Hi,
I am in urgent need of a copy of a letter sent to UK elders in regard to weddings held at the KH and specific comments about the responsibilities of the brother giving the wedding talk. I'm told this is a fairly recent letter.
We have an elder kicking up hell about innactive ones who want to come and watch the wedding. He happens to be the one giving the talk and is acting like he has full control on this wedding. He's a control freak and is using this situation to his advantage. Even secretly interviewing various ones in the congregation.
A scanned version would be excellent as I need to present hard copy proof.
As you can imagine, there's a huge arguement developing, elders are misquoting this letter but will not show my family member the actual letter, as they claim it is confidential.
I'm only a mini so my powers are limited.
Many thanks in advance for your help.
S8
just been reading this http://www.singlethink.blogspot.com/index.html
doesn't actually say it is a jdub but very obvious.
s8.
just been reading this http://www.singlethink.blogspot.com/index.html Doesn't actually say it is a jdub but very obvious. S8.
i have just decided to start posting, as has another elder "doubting brother" .
i guess that there are perhaps many out there who wish to post but are perhaps nervous.
well that is quite understandable.
I'm an MS.
Handed my letter in 3 months ago - got talked out of it.
Just ordered Crisis of Conscience!
I'm getting there, really I am...
S8
morning, can anyone point me to recent references where the gb claim the preaching work is now complete or that this verse is fulfilled.
i know it has been mentioned at conventions but would like to use some material.. .
thanks,.
Morning, can anyone point me to recent references where the GB claim the preaching work is now complete or that this verse is fulfilled. I know it has been mentioned at conventions but would like to use some material.
Thanks,
S8.
going to the bookstudy tonight .
hope you guys can help me get through this bookstudy over the next several months at least.... here's tonight's reading:.
revelationitshappyclimax!.
I have the pleasure of conducting the book study and had fun and games this week. My auxillary questions are a bit sneaky, as they have a double meaning to tease out answers that I know support the doublethink theory.
In regard to paragraph 7 this week, we discussed the illustrations, which is one of the so called reasons why we have a new revelation book to replace the previous four. My question was "although the illustrations are produced by our humble, imperfect brothers at bethel, how can we be sure that they depict the images that Jehovah wants us to imagine in our mind as we study this publication?"
Hand goes up....
Brother "J" please..
Brother J: Well, clearly, Jehovah wants us to have the truth and he would ensure that our brothers illustrate in the way he wants. In any case, if the illustrations we not correct, he would put a stop to it, and the book would not be published.
Me: Very good brother, excellent answer...
(Everyone nods in agreement...)
How tempted do you think I was to refer to such reasoning when we addressed paragraph 8, which discussed the reasons why the publications have been changed over the years.
If Jehovah would step in and put a stop to incorrect illustrations, how much more so would he put a stop to lies published as truths?
Dunno
S8